Monday, October 31, 2016

Whose Procedure? Whose Justice?

     Procedural Justice!!!

     That is what we practice here in Greensboro today; a newfangled idea in the world of policing here in our fair city.  Effective?  You be the judge.  You see, among all the police bashing and politics that are being dictated to our department by city council and the city manager's office these days are also their ideas of HOW policing should be done.  None of these politicians or bureaucrats have one iotas worth of law enforcement experience or training mind you, none!  However it seems that our Mayor and her buddies Nelson Johnson, Lewis Pitts and all their little subversives from both outside the department and within the department have been allowed to have great input on police department procedures.  In their fantasy world of progressive and even communist politics and philosophies, criminals are to be handled as "victims".  It is apparently police officers and all the citizens who support law and order who are at fault.  Too many criminals are getting arrested.  Therefore, we must comply with the agitators because they who speak loudest must be right.  The Greensboro Police Department, a department that has been recognized in the not so distant past as being a national model of law enforcement professionalism and policing techniques has now been reduced to a scapegoat for bad political decision making and a lack of leadership and control at the highest level of government.  It's not progressive, liberal policies that are to blame.  It's not the lack of control of even the simplest forms of formal government procedure (i.e. running an efficient council meeting).  It has got to be the police.
     What is procedural justice?  There are several definitions that are longer than this article would be.  After researching this term, I was able to locate a lesson plan completed by COPS (Community Oriented Policing Services; cops.usdoj.gov).  In a nutshell, the basic premise is nothing more than the way police officers have been taught to conduct interviews and public interaction for years.  The one addition that I can see is an over-emphasis on allowing citizens to come up with solutions to disputes on their own.  This may be effective when officers are attempting to mediate civil or domestic disagreements but again, this is nothing new.  However, when you apply this to criminal or public peace situations it rarely results in resolutions, especially if the crime being investigated is a felony and you are attempting to get a criminal suspect to conform to this philosophy.  As we have seen in recent Body Worn Camera video, a criminal is only looking for a solution that results in his or her getting away with their crime.  For instance, if an officer is attempting to restore peace and order on a crime scene and has given several lawful orders to an individual causing the disturbance to stop or disperse, asking him "sir, is there anything I can say to you to get you to comply" basically undermines the officer's authority and gives the authority to the suspect causing the disturbance.  Does placing the citizen in the position of authority help the officer achieve the goal of compliance?  Probably about the same as telling your teenager that "this time I REALLY mean it" when he has come home 4 hours past curfew for the umpteenth time.  Once reasonable suspicion or probable cause that a law has been violated exists, taking away the officer's authority and giving it to the suspect just doesn't work.
     Are we doing this in Greensboro?  Examples?  Okay; of course this is based on my observations during 29 years of experience and observing successful police officers.

Don't stop for equipment violations.

This one was implemented because our politicians were "appalled" at a New York Times article based on partial and incomplete research as well as information leaked to that reporter by a local left wing extremist "journalist".  The findings were later researched to a greater extent and found to be wrong.  Though these violations were NC state law it was decided they were being used to target African Americans by our socialist leaning Mayor and Council.  The usefulness of these stops combined with investigative technique were invaluable in preventing further criminal activity and locating an otherwise transient group of criminals with outstanding criminal charges.  Suspending these lawful stops resulted in also suspending the capturing of these wanted suspects and preventing them from committing other crimes.

Don't use Tasers unless a deadly force or eminent threat exists.

So wait until you are attacked, not when compliance is not imminent and the threat of attack is likely.  That makes sense; wait until you are attacked then try to taze him at close range.  This results in the greater likelihood of injury to the officer, the suspect and immediately brings the possibility of deadly force into the picture.

The city manager dictating the dropping of charges that a magistrate has found probable cause for and not allowing a Judge to rule on the legality.

Judges and other judicial officials are trained and qualified to determine the lawfulness of an arrest.  Mayors and City Managers are not.  Quite frankly, some police commanders don't have the policing experience to do so.  Apologizing to burglars and paying off law breakers before a judge or court rules on a case is simply asinine.  It is a practice that has been prevalent here in Greensboro the past few years and it needs to stop.  Local antagonists are being enabled and empowered when they are constantly given in to, reducing the effectiveness of the police to maintain order.

The results of these non proactive actions?

Let's just look at the past few days.  7 shootings in Greensboro this weekend.  Last evening, three occupied dwellings fired into over 30 times in a gang type shooting; you know, the gangs we don't have in Greensboro. Officers being called out en mass due to the problems caused by these groups during what should be a time of peaceful celebration of tradition.
     Our violent crime rate in Greensboro is up 25%.  Try as they may to suppress it, I believe the FBI will soon report that Greensboro is second only to Los Angeles in violent crime per capita.  Not New York.  Not Chicago.  Greensboro, North Carolina.
     Is this the way you want your city to be protected?  Is this the way you want your city perceived?  Do you want a police department that has problems recruiting new officers and maintaining current staff because the Mayor, the City Council, the City Manager and the political agitators want to maintain their cozy relationships?  Do you want these same politicians to dictate to the police how they do their jobs based on pushing ahead their progressive political philosophies?
     I have previously stated that we are very close to becoming Baltimore.  If our District Attorney were to retire and a "Baltimore type" District Attorney steps in, we are there.
 
     Violent Crime Per Capita in the United States of America
1st   Los Angeles
2nd  Greensboro

Wake up folks!

 

58 comments:

  1. If you want to reduce crime you reduce poverty by forcing the rich to pay their fair share in life. Raise taxes on the wealthiest people in the world, I assure you you do not even KNOW anyone with enough money who would be negatively impacted y that. Increase the minimum wage, put price controls in place that keep the rich under the control of the other 99.9% of the world like they belong. Stop giving a free pass to the rich and you will see poverty PLUMMET. spend 5 minutes reading a sociology basics textbook and you will see that poverty causes most street crime. That's called having a FORMAL EDUCATION in such matters.

    the LAST thing we need is MORE violence by police. In fact we need black panther squads to PREVENT violence by police. The most inneffective way to get someone to do something is by force, they will always resent you and they will always come back to get you.

    You just bitch and moan that certain members of the community refuse to lick the boot of authority on their necks presented by police.

    The biggest and most destructive gang in the area is the GPD these terrorists are emboldened by groups like the GPOA who will write a long, droaning defense of ANY police crime no matter how indefensible it is.

    by your logic, a member of the public should step in to prevent violence by police BEFORE it happens, the moment the racist with a gun starts getting disrespectful then you "deal with the problem". Even I think you should wait until the cop uses police terror methods before you physically stop the attack. The last thing we need is a group of racists with guns and badges to THINK they are in charge of anything.

    SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM are the ways to end poverty, and what's worse is that idiots like you with no formal education in political science or sociology will do just the opposite thereby INCREASING the concentration of power in the .01% of society who thinks they rule over the rest of us.

    Now you could spend several hours researching what I say or you could spend 5 minutes dismissing it like an uneducated redneck, it's up to you but if you increase police use of force, the public WILL push back I promise you. More militant cops will end up being shot because people are FED UP with your mentality of "lock em all up, show em who's in charge" DOES NOT WORK.

    This "lock em all up" mentality has given america 5% of the worlds population and 25% of the worlds prisoners, yet some deluded asshats deny we live in a police state and INSIST on calling this country "land of the free"


    before you start with the sex offender hysteria, (that's what you usually do when you have NO VALID ARGUMENT), I will fire the first shot. COREY DANIEL is still a PEDOPHILE who thanks to his police connections is not in FEDERAL PRISON and on a SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY FOR LIFE.

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    1. Here is a list of countries where those policies have worked:

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    2. We can start with France, Iceland, Germany, the U.K.................

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  2. Incoherent as usual. None of your policy preferences have ever worked. Poverty will not go away with government dependance. By the way, I have a degree. Do you?

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    1. Nothing in my article advocates increased use of force. Learn to read

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    2. You did not even have time to read the whole post before responding like a yocal. Your degree is in being a stooge for our criminal justice system, you are a trained liar and as untrustworthy as humanly possible.. It only took you 2 minutes to react like an uneducated moron, a new record. Wear a helmet, you are indeed a stupid, stupid man if you think what I wrote is incoherent. I am glad that you no longer have a badge and it's accompanying licence to kill.

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    3. Not even YOU pay attention to your incoherent drivel, here is what YOU just said about uses of a taser.

      "Don't use Tasers unless a deadly force or eminent threat exists.

      So wait until you are attacked, not when compliance is not imminent and the threat of attack is likely. That makes sense; wait until you are attacked then try to taze him at close range. This results in the greater likelihood of injury to the officer, the suspect and immediately brings the possibility of deadly force into the picture."

      you want to use tasers MORE OFTEN

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    4. How exactly is increasing taxes on the rich and raising wages "depending on the government"? You give a man an opportunity to work a living wage job (end felon discrimination for one) and 99.9% of the people will chose an actual job over street crime, when the only opportunities are minimum wage slave labor jobs where workers have no rights and are replaceable at the drop of a hat then yes, many will chose crime simply to put a roof over their head and food in the stomach.

      I agree the american worker needs help until unions can be placed in every workplace in america.

      Corporate welfare (tax breaks to billion dollar corporations) costs society 5x more than social welfare ever did. BTW. Since you like to throw up baltimore politics (to defend militarised policing) here is an article about how corporate welfare is killing baltimore. http://bostonreview.net/blog/lester-spence-freddie-gray-baltimore-under-armour-corporate-charity

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    5. Also, Mr. Subversive I think that the use of a Taser is much better than seeing a police officer use his baton to arrest a suspect. I know you will complain about both aspects. But in reality would you rather see anyone be hit with a baton numerous times resulting in broken bones,bruises or other life altering injuries? Or would you rather have someone go through what I read on Taser's website as 5 seconds of neuromuscular interuption? Which does not have the lasting effects of being hit with a steel pipe

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    6. I think the use of the black panthers is the best way to stop police terror in it's tracks.

      If you witness the use of a taser or baton I suggest you use something made by glock or s&w to prevent further violence.

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  3. You write the EXACT SAME stuff every article. Doesn't take long to read the same old crap. 30 years of progressive politics is killing Baltimore. I really don't even need to respond to you anymore. There are folks that get a real laugh out of the stuff you write. Almost as funny as your "tears to the Mayor, he won't stop picking on me" stunt. One of these nights I'm going to surprise you at a city council meeting. We can video that one and put it on You Tube as well. We will title it "Communist wets his pants".

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    1. I DEFINITELY feel threatened by your claims of making me "wet my pants". Don't give me the slightest reason to defend myself against you. I even feel threatened by the thought of you mentioning my name in public. Your fear mongering lies are an implicit threat to incite violence against police reform activists. One must vigorously defend themselves against such threats.

      Show me PROOF that "progressive politics" are killing baltimore if you had bothered to read the article it explains how tax breaks for the wealthy are what is behind the decline of that city. Any politician who participated in corporate welfare weather demofacist or republinazi is NOT progressive when they cater to corporate interests. Just like the GSO city council proved it was NOT progressive when they catered to the Greensboro police officers association by helping cover up for a police cover-up.

      Respond with FACTS not ad hominem attacks.

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    2. If you look at any democratic run city, baltimore, detroit, chicago, washington dc, flint michigan, st. louis, ferguson. they are all in the crapper because of tax and don't spend (except into their own pockets). I read the article you posted and it is very left leaning. The reason there is no upward mobility for the city to improve its own parks is because the city has a largely poor and indifferent population, where you cannot squeeze blood from a turnip. How can a city run a park and rec system when it is constantly vandalized and ruined by the same people who want more?

      I think I might go to a council meeting too! I will wait until Mr. Subversive goes on a rant, then go last and do a slide show presentation of his crimes!!


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    3. Mr Subversive must be an awfully big threat to police terror to have TWO cop stooges to target him. What a bunch of pathetic losers.

      both parties represent our corporate ruling class and not the average person. BOTH parties are unsuitable for office.

      BOTH parties give the rich a free pass to collect all the money and do none of the labor, you now, MOOCHERS.

      How did you get the info on the "crimes" of Mr subversive. Sounds like you would be using that information to harass and intimidate people, which is a crime.

      Are you the attorney for the GPOA by any chance???

      Thank you for admitting you are here to silence a political opponent of the Greensboro police. You are here to suppress the voice of dissent. Because it would be illegal for an ACTIVE cop to suppress my right to free speech you have to get "retired" cops to do it instead.

      I have already done a slide show on the SEX CRIMES of JW Way and Corey Daniel, you would look like a low budget copycat who violates the laws regarding the harassment of certain people on a public hit list.

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    4. Exactly how have I suppressed your voice of dissent? Also, for clarity sake how is it illegal for an "ACTIVE cop" to view an opinion?

      I am not a police officer or an attorney.

      How I know who you are is by watching the city counsel meeting, you introducing yourself and then see your rants on here an other social media platforms. Again, not that hard for someone who well educated and articulate. But oh my, in your opinion I should say yes masser...what ever you say masser...is that how you think all black people should act? Because it seems to me you harbor some very bigoted ideas and feelings.

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    5. How is having a low opinion of "black" people who are soft on racism bigoted? I want to EXTERMINATE the KKK YOU are concerned about their rights.

      The purpose of you "exposing" private citizens who speak out against police terror is to silence them, unless you are going to tell me you would do that to encourage others to criticize police?

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    6. Please exterminate all hate groups!! I would greatly appreciate that!

      No the purpose of exposing anyone is to bring to light their own biases and angles (that for your obtuse comment). It goes to the point of a person being a credible source.

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    7. to answer your first question. I will answer it with your first question.....

      How is having a low opinion of "black" people who are soft on racism bigoted?

      Will the bigoted part is having a low opinion of black people

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    8. I have a low opinion of black people who are soft on racism USE THE WHOLE SENTENCE. stop being an obtuse uncle tom.


      my credibility is not an issue, every point I make with the city council can be verified like the CRIMES of JW Way and Corey Daniel. or the FACT that NO COP has ever gone to jail in the history of the city. Or the Greensboro police officers association exists for the purpose of defending police terror.

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    9. I see they were both charged but were they convicted? I am not seeing that information. From what I am reading the charge for Daniel was in Rockingham County, is that correct? Hell if both got convicted of their crimes I will side with you, lock them up! sexual crimes are the worse offense in my book behind murder and being a liberal from any corresponding angle

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    10. Both were convicted.
      Mental health EXPERTS conclude that most sex offenders are EXTREMELY treatable, a fact represented by the 5% recidivism rate quoted by the DOJ for sex crimes.

      You can thank stooge ridgill for my highlighting their crimes. If he had kept his mouth shut about activists who protest police I would have kept mine shut about sex offender cops on the GPD.

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    11. I have been searching but nothing about the convictions. could you link me to that? I am getting deeply disturbed, but want to have all my facts straight first.

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    12. No news report about either conviction but even ridgill admits they were convicted, he "researched" it to try and shut me up about them. I suspect that a criminal record search will reveal their convictions. There WAS a story about JW Way pleading guilty but it is no longer online.

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  4. If you "vigorously" did anything you'd fall over trying to catch your breath.

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    1. What are you like 70? I don't think so.

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    2. I think he vigorously went after someone much younger...apparently he didn't fall over, or the kid was just a lot slower

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    3. You have me confused with PEDOPHILE corey daniel of the GPD.

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    1. Mentally you are 5, physically you are 85. Not a good combination.

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  6. I know that you know better than that. Im sure you have asked around. Its why you always stop just short of challenging. Its tough for you; want to take credit but cant bring yourself to admit your name. Being so "large" but unable to intimidate. Believing things no one else does. Gotta be damaging to your esteem. Pity.

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    1. You are as soggy as a used tea bag. I know you want to goad me into threatening you but that's not going to happen. Besides I would be charged with abusing the elderly and feeble minded

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    2. You are so old that your first assignment was with the Keystone Cops.

      Your first sidearm was a flintlock.

      Your first ticket was written with a quill and feather.

      Your first patrol car was a model T.

      You are so old, you were bullied in school by George Burns.

      You are so old, that during your initiation into the KKK you burned a cross on George Washington Carver's front yard.

      You are so old, you used to babysit Betty White.

      You are so old that when Lincoln freed the slaves, you sent him hate mail.

      You considered strom thermon to be young and cocky and WAY too progressive.

      get the message yet old timer??

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    3. Actually Lincoln was not in favor of freeing the slaves.

      "...My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union ..."

      This was his response to a editorial in the New York Tribune August 20, 1862.

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    4. you TOTALLY missed the point of the Lincoln joke.

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  7. And you are.....well....you. I dont want you to threaten me Brian. Your heart wouldnt be in it and it wouldnt really serve any purpose because no one would take it seriously.

    Im 57 by the way but Im sure you already knew that just as you know that threatening me would do no good. You are just so easy to aggravate. Lol

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  8. Gentlemen and I use this term loosely with one of you. First I am sorry I have been away for work and have not had access to the internet over there.

    First Mr. Ridgell, the 9th Circuit Court ruled the way the Taser was used in the Pinehurst (spelling?) was ruled excessive because they person who it was used against was not causing harm to others. Now as we know from history and Graham V Connor, that police are authorized to use force when necessary. I do believe that the 9th Circuit Court made a rash call to indicate a taser is more harmful than that of a baton or pepper spray. To bring it to the realm of it being up there with deadly force, in my personal opinion there has been some hand tying but in all rational the taser still can be used as originally designed. Just not using it to unwrap a person from around a street sign. Again just my opinion. Your comments are welcome.

    Mr. Subversive, as per your norm it seems you have taken things out of context. You think there should not be force used by the police, period. If that were the case then we would be just as Mr. Ridgill pointed out that we could be like Baltimore or even Charlotte. Yes force is necessary to effect to take a non compliant person into custody. All the talking in the world is not going to make someone do what you ask them to. For example, I have asked you several times to provide us with citations for your references, but you have not done that. What if say you were a journalist and there were a law that required you to always tell the truth and always use citations when making a claim. If you didn't then force (this being some type of discipline) was used to make you. Would you be more apt to follow such a rule?

    In addition you claim that communism and socialism would end poverty. We can see from recent events such as Greece and Venezuala which both have socialist policies and near communistic polices in Venezuala; that their economies have come to a halt. The high politicians still have their wealth. Look at Hugo Chavez's daughter, who flashes mound of cash while her fellow countrymen go hungry. Again just my personal opinion and comments are always welcome

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    1. Greece and Venezuela's economies failed because the lazy moocher millionaire class skirted too many taxes.

      The police always justify police terror as "use of force", thus many courts have ruled that citizens have a right to defend themselves against excessive force, in fact some states have codified that to include deadly force against police terror.

      when police use force it is the DUTY of bystanders to prevent police brutality.

      Otherwise you are very boring and your discussions lack merit.

      Read this next part slowly because I have said it for the 5th time now. DO YOUR OWN FUCKING RESEARCH. I am not providing you with ANYTHING.

      I could care less about the opinion of an alleged "black" person who is opposed to civil rights. Even if you are who you say there is no point in trying to make an uncle tom stand up and fight racism.

      I agree ridgill is NOT a gentleman and does not deserve the title.

      Now quit wasting my time asshat.

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    3. Also I am not wasting your time or anyone's time. I am expressing my right to free speech. Just as you can. Your sarcasm about you being a gentlemen was laughable, I almost wet myself like a little boy.....

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    4. I deleted my other post because of a spelling error, but I fixed it.

      First off Venezuala only has 3 people in their "millionaire & billionaire class" most of the country's wealth comes from their oil.

      I have done my own research and I am not trying to be outright and rude as you are. Which is the only form of language you can use.

      You are right in one regard there are states that have codified a person using self defense against an unlawful arrest, even deadly force. However, what you have left out, as usual, is the person using the defensive force has to "know" that the force is excessive or the arrest is "illegal". Not their opinion at the time, but knowing the actual law. For instance. You get arrested for punching someone and an officer arrests you and you fail to comply. You do not have the right to fight back because you do not think it is right. It has been said many times before so I am not going to take credit for it. The place to argue is in a court room, not on the streets, 99.5% of the time nothing will happen to you if you obey the law and those sworn to uphold it. Yes, I have said this and I will say it again. There are bad police out in society. But they are an statistical minority. I don't know why you have this entrenched hatred towards law enforcement and of a great country that we all live in.

      Of course, since our wonderful president has released out internet to be run by such crazy countries, we may not have this forum for much longer.

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    5. I don't hate police, I hate police terror, you are being obtuse, I have explained the difference in holding police accountable and "hating" them.

      Tell me again how the country with 5% of the worlds people and 25% of the worlds prisoners is somehow "land of the free"??

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    6. I can tell you how, break the law and go to jail. Or maybe we should be like other countries and chop off hands, throw homosexuals off roofs, cane people in public? Actually, now that I typed that didn't they do that during the colonial era to some extent? except the chopping and the killing?

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    7. Have you ever thanked a police officer before? Have you ever read or saw something in the news about a police that has made you pause and consider "that was a really heroic or compassionate thing the officer did"? Or do you try and find fault at ever step of the way?

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    8. So you are an anti gay bigot too?

      I think we should throw anti gay people off roofs, into flaming pits of fire.

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    9. I have thanked police before, I even PUBLICLY thanked chief Wayne Scott for stopping traffic stops for equipment violations because it targeted low income people

      ridgill whined

      T know Dep. Chief Henson wants to fight racism in policing and I applaud him.

      The reason I do not compliment police as a general rule is that they compliment themselves and kiss their own ass all the time, it distracts from the MASSIVE need to reform police in general and especially the GPD.

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    10. Where did you get the idea that I am anti gay? I was bringing to the table the ideas how prison populations in other countries are so low. Or did you not understand that was a comparison?

      Hey if your gay you get to double your clothes in seconds! It is what I love about this country, you can be gay or straight, you won't get killed for it. Unless you go to that dark place in the middle of the country..you know there place i am talking about

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    11. Most people refer to that "dark place" as the southern usa

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    12. I said police officer not a political lackey.

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    13. the dark place is the southern usa? where all us black people are? that is just so rude

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    14. based on your opinion of Hinson you are CLEARLY affiliated with racist factions of the GPD,

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    15. You are being obtuse AGAIN, the "dark place" as YOU called is the cesspool of ignorant, useless, racist rednecks,

      THE SOUTH.

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    16. I am not affiliated with any faction of law enforcement. I am an work on international relations within the engineering community. Very interesting career. I have never met so many wonderful people around the world. But it saddens me coming back to this State. So much turmoil. Not the same place I grew up. Breaks my heart in all honesty. I wish we could just hit a stop button, and find out what it is that makes us all alike instead of fighting from all sides. I think it would do a great justice to the future of our planet. The Japanese culture does such a thing.

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    17. We could start by requiring mental health evaluations for anyone with less than 5 million dollars who votes republican. they are siding with the ruling class (.01% of the people) over the people they "rule over" the other 99.99% (see the problem)

      It cracks me up to see a redneck, in a trailer voting for the guy who wants to eliminate the food stamps and medicaid he is getting because he likes the way the republinazi hates gay people.

      Like that HB2, it's the main point of that law was preventing cities from raising minimum wages locally, they wrapped it up in an anti transgender bill to ensure all the bible thumping simpletons agreed with it. the "bathroom" part is just a distraction from limiting worker wages.

      Same thing with duke energy's licence to pollute air and water given to them by "former" duke exec Pat McCroy. People are siding with him because of "traditional marriage" ignoring the coal ash in their water.

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  9. I know you are 75 years behind in race relations. You still refer to malcolm x as a troublemaker.

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  10. Well my plane is about to start boarding, so off to my new assignment in Peru...see you all back here in a week!

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  11. Safe travels. Appreciate your thoughts Patriot

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  12. Hey Marc, do you think the voters will wake up and oust the bulk of the city council before Greensboro ends up with a crime rate the council thinks it deserves?

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    1. We need to oust the 5 city council members who voted for police secrecy 2 weeks ago.

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